Interview: Pete Ohs, Lena Gora and Jeremy O. Harris on ‘Erupcja’
There’s nothing like a Pete Ohs movie. Quite literally. As the filmmaker himself would put it: “Each movie I make, there’s always some things that are different.”
Ohs made his feature directorial debut in 2017 with Everything Beautiful Is Far Away, a sci-fi drama that was more mood than narrative and way less spectacle than the genre usually allows. He followed it up with the comedic Youngstown, thriller Jethica, the charmingly unconventional Love and Work, the SXSW hit The True Beauty of Being Bitten by a Tick and his latest film Erupcja, which earned rave reviews following its TIFF premiere last year. Throughout the past decade, Ohs has amassed a quietly powerful fanbase of cinephiles who await his next project with bated breath, curious to see how he’ll apply his signature, shape-shifting style to whatever comes next.
But for the casuals and non-cinephiles, plenty of which who will be introduced to Ohs for the first time through Erupcja due to the presence of one Charli xcx, what is a Pete Ohs film exactly? It’s quite simple, actually: Ohs gets inspired by a location or a person. He then writes an outline, sometimes barely more than a loose map, and builds the film around that spark. From there, everything opens up.
His sets are small. His crews are lean. Dialogue isn’t locked in. Actors are given space to find their way through a scene rather than hit predetermined beats, which is why his films carry that slightly off-center, lived-in rhythm. There’s a documentary instinct in the way he works, even when the stories lean into the surreal. Jethica, for example, plays like a deadpan thriller on paper but unfolds more like an uneasy hangout, where tension builds not through plot mechanics but through proximity. Love and Work leans even further into that looseness, a film that feels discovered as much as it is directed.
That’s exactly what makes a Pete Ohs film unique. There’s no fixed language or a repeated formula. Each film feels like it’s been made by someone slightly different, even if the instincts are the same. A looseness in structure and an openness to discovery. Characters who feel larger than life, despite the small scale of his films. Like they could be real people that exist beyond the frame rather than merely inside it. Erupcja is no exception.
Shot in Warsaw, Poland in 2024, at the height of Brat Summer, Erupcja drops us into a romantic getaway that quickly unravels. A volcanic eruption strands Bethany (Charli xcx) and her soon-to-be fiancé, Rob (Will Madden), in the city, turning what was meant to be a quiet escape into something far more chaotic. Bethany takes the explosive event as a sign to ditch her baggage, reunite with childhood friend Nel (Lena Góra) and traipse across lofts, clubs and back alleys, all the while becoming entangled in an emotional web that challenges her sense of self.
“This movie had the most new things than any of my previous [films],” says Ohs of Erupcja. “Shooting in another country, 40% of the film was in a language I don’t speak. Dealing with the biggest star I’ve ever dealt with, not that I had to deal with her, but you know… (‘She was insane on set,’ jokes star, writer and producer Jeremy O. Harris. ‘We need headlines! She threw things!’ Góra adds: ‘At me!’) Having this cast member, this collaborator with the profile that they do, and then also just logistically, doing my first city movie in a city where I’m not that familiar, even though I had been living there. These were all very new factors to it, and that’s what ultimately creates the texture that is this movie. It required needing more help, honestly. It required needing a translator and cultural consultant in Zofia Chlebowska. It required having other Polish helpers like Michal and Agata, our production managers and first ADs and costume designers. On the other movies, I’m doing them completely by myself. I could not have done this one by myself. It was too much for me [to do it] alone. And so this group of people, and of course the actor-writers all coming together allowed those many multiple, new variables to get navigated and still result in a movie that I think is cool.”
The film’s setting definitely sets it apart from Ohs’ other work, which is usually rooted in a kind of offbeat Americana. Erupcja feels distinctly European, trading dusty isolation for something more kinetic and immediate. And in true Ohs fashion, the city isn’t just utilized as a backdrop. Warsaw hums through the film, alive in its textures and rhythms, shaping every turn Bethany takes, ultimately feeling like a character in the film rather than merely a setting. But out of all the cities in the world why did Ohs choose Warsaw?
“I had been living in Warsaw,” he reveals. “I had moved there for romantic reasons. I sort of had my own Before Sunrise journey, where I was visiting Poland. I met this Polish woman, I got on a train, I traveled to Warsaw, and eventually that led me to moving there. It was really exciting to try to become European. And then while I was living there, I was feeling really isolated, because that’s what happens when you live in a country where you don’t speak the language. And filmmaking is not only a thing I love to do, it’s also a really great way to meet people. It’s a great way to engage with the community. So almost out of my own desire, my own need to learn and get to know this place, I was like, ‘I want to make a movie here.’ And thus that became Erupcja. As is often the case with my movies, it starts with a location. So the first intent was to make this movie so I could get to know this place better and get to know the people there. So I went to Jan and Lena, two of these other film world people in Poland that I knew, and I was like, ‘What if we made a movie in Warsaw?’ This is before Charli was involved, which just was, I just need to make something here, this is where I’m living, I need something to do, and that’s what I want to do. And then as the other collaborators all start coming in, the ball starts rolling, and then you arrive at the story it’s gonna be, but it happens so organically with the collaborators, one of which being Warsaw, Poland. And so that’s why the textures, the fabric of this actual city feel so present, is because it was so essential to the story that we arrived at making. We couldn’t have, wouldn’t have, made this story in another city. It would have been different. This is what happens when we make a movie in this place.”
And while Warsaw does feel like a character in the film, the characters themselves feel just as present and alive, moving through it in a way that never feels staged, rehearsed or even scripted. A particular standout is Jeremy O. Harris‘ Claude, a friendly American painter who keeps an open-door policy and regularly hosts house parties, pulling him into Bethany and Nel’s orbit. Erupcja marks Harris’ third collaboration with Ohs, following The True Beauty of Being Bitten by a Tick and Harris’ self-directed documentary Slave Play. Not a Movie. A Play, which Ohs edited. What keeps him coming back? “Pete reinvigorates my sense of play like no other,” he says. “Every part of the process is about play. It starts with him throwing a ball to me, and it’s like, what do you mean a movie in Warsaw? And I’m like, whoa, that’s crazy, what would be the movie in Warsaw? And then we just keep going back and forth, and it starts there. And once we’re on set, it’s constant, let’s take a little walk and talk through this. Writing can be very lonely, right? I’ve written a new play that’s going to Broadway next season, hopefully, and because of this process, I learned a new way to write. I wrote that new play with a bunch of people around me every day, because I remembered how much fun I have writing with people around me through working with Pete. And I think in an age when OpenAI is trying to rip out all of the struggle of making art, when our government is going to wars with every person they can around the globe, we have to hold on to fun somehow. And the last three years, this person has been one of my ways of doing that.”
While we don’t get much of a backstory for Claude or get to know him in the way that we do Nel and Bethany, he still feels like a fleshed out, fully-formed character, one that reveals himself in fragments. Through presence, energy and the way he moves between people and spaces rather than anything he explicitly says or does. Harris imbues Claude with such an easy, unforced presence that he feels less like someone you’ve known for a very long time rather than just a supporting character in a film. “One of the things that was really exciting to me was thinking what type of Black people live abroad,” says Harris when asked about the process of finding Claude. “I have a lot of friends who moved to Germany and Portugal so Pete and I just started talking a lot about those guys and girls and everyone in between. I thought that it would be really fun to look at some of the Black people I saw in Warsaw and try to make sense of how they got there, so I went to this African hair-braiding salon and talked to them about their life in Warsaw, what they did, who they hung out with. I met a few people at parties and it became this really fun thing to piece together a sort of biography for this guy and in doing so, we found him to be this really exciting traveler who decided that he didn’t want to be a little fish in a big pond like he would’ve been in Berlin. He wanted to have space to really shine and he saw Warsaw as an opportunity for that. That sort of self-possession was something that we really liked about Claude and it informed how he would engage with the rest of the characters in the movie.”
But ultimately, the heart and soul of the film is the relationship between Nel and Bethany. It’s messy, magnetic, and a little elusive. Something that sits somewhere between friendship and something deeper. Ohs leans into that ambiguity rather than trying to pin it down. There’s history there, but it comes in flashes. Inside jokes, old habits, the ease of slipping back into something comfortable and familiar. At the same time, there’s tension bubbling underneath it, a push and pull between what this connection means and what it costs. Nel feels it as something real, something that could anchor her, while Bethany treats it more like an escape, something fleeting, something she can dip in and out of without consequence.
It’s a complex dynamic, one that may have been very tricky to pull off. But Charli and Góra prove to be more than capable of rising up to the challenge, each delivering wildly different yet equally mesmerizing performances both individually and together. While they both give stunning performances, the film truly sings when they’re both on-screen together. “It was extremely easy to work with Charli,” gushes Góra. “It really was. We were, for a little bit, maybe a little worried. We’re getting this incredible pop star—what is she gonna be like? And then she came in and was just the most cool and easy, because it’s actually a rare quality. I come from one big HBO Max show to the next, on these big sets with large amounts of expectations that often create everything but an easy flow. And then we have the world’s biggest pop star coming in who is just a gentle, good collaborator, who gives space and is curious. I love that she gets to be really… she’s really curious. I just love curious people around me. I had a great time.”
That chemistry was something Charli and Góra managed to build on set while filming, reveals Ohs. “A lot of the things I do are intentional and by design, and one of the things is that we shot the movie in order,” he says. “And even though in the story Nel and Bethany know each other from childhood, in the movie they don’t cross paths until day four of the shoot. What that meant was, on day one, as we’re doing costume design conversations, and on these other days we’re hanging out every night, each night we would have dinner, and Lena and Charli would be on the balcony smoking, drinking wine, and I’m like, that’s them building their backstory, that’s them finding their chemistry. We’re not having to film it right away, they’re developing it, so that by the time we do put it on camera, they have already found rhythm, they have created a history. Yes, it’s very short, it’s four days of history, but because they’re imaginative people, they were able to extrapolate that into the whole lives of these characters. And I think that also adds to the natural chemistry that they have once we finally do see them interact, that they had been vibing and found it in this natural, organic way.”
“But also within the context of the world of the movie, the Nel and the Bethany of it all, the first meeting we have in the film, the ‘you look different and you look the same’ moment, it really was the first scene we shot together, I think,” adds Góra. “And this was us figuring out our relationship. How do we feel about each other? And this was really an electric moment. Everybody, the whole crew was there, and when we finally stood there in that eruption of these two universes, Bethany’s universe with Rob and Nel’s universe with her sister and her flower shop, and then the eruptive moment of us coming together, I remember, was so beautiful, and it felt really electric. And from then on, which is something that I love about the way we did this, we didn’t have to do a big method acting of me and Charli holding hands outside of the scene or whatever. The moment the cameras start rolling, we would look at each other and we would dive into that place, that energy that we left when Pete called cut, and then go right back into that really electric, sexy place. The air between us would always be really thick. We didn’t need to present it in a very obvious way, but I feel that the air in the room is full of eruptive excitement that comes with that love that you kind of don’t know what to do about, but it’s really there, and we all really felt that.”
In addition to a phenomenal, surprisingly nuanced performance, Charli also brought something else to the film, something no other person could have offered or brought to the table other than her: her very passionate fanbase, the Angels. “The angels have saved us so many times,” says Harris. “The angels were the only reason we had background extras in multiple scenes. The Polish angels came together, they flapped their wings, and filled out places and gave us the bodies we needed in the nightclub scene, in the party scene, in the most generous of ways. I am forever grateful to the Angels.”
And while Charli xcx has a growing slate of film projects on the horizon, Erupcja feels like the right place to meet her as an actress; stripped back, instinctive, soulful and without vanity. Ohs and crew don’t ask her to perform at you. They let her exist, to move, to react. And in doing so, Erupcja reveals something far more interesting than a debut. It shows you what she might become in the future.